Currency Symbol [ ɠ / ꞡ / ǥ / other ] #BS

#9

a crypto currency ??

#10

Maybe its too late but Г symbol looks awesome. Easy to recognise than this complicated ǥ

#11

not too late. leaving time to get more ideas before running another poll. I also like gamma.

I like the idea @lehnberg expressed in the gitter earlier, that anarchy can be a design choice. we already see it a bit in a number of logos being used in different contexts (I am using the creepy grin on the grinmw twitter, and lehnberg is using the simple MW smiley face for his newsletter for example). We may see different logos and different symbols for different apps and that’s probably okay. these things dont really matter at the end of the day so formalizing isnt that important, though a natural consensus could make the process simple enough eventually.

Could be that these different symbols are used for different amounts, like miligrin and kilogrin.

#12

I like the greek letter gamma as well: 100Γ looks distinct.

There’s also a bunch of goofy fun ones. Here’s some I like:

100࿔ (Yig mgo: Tibetian symbol for next page/text)
100៚
100⅁
100⑇
100☻
100☺

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#13

NOTE: some of the symbols below get automatically converted to forum shortcode… for a list of these in the plainest text possible please check out my bike-shedding document here, at the bottom: https://github.com/mimblewimble/docs/wiki/Nomenclature-BS

Haven’t tested rendering on devices for most/any of these… feel free to jump in.

! we could do something absolutely evil and comandeer the symbol for generic currency… ¤ … ¤333 … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_sign_(typography) it is the universal ISO symbol for money… i feel like i’ve peekend inside pandora’s box. It’s like a glitch in the matrix… and very philosophicala symbolic.

Roman Czyborra writes in his Good ole’ ASCII that "the socialist countries managed to substitute the international currency sign ¤ for ASCII’s capitalist dollar sign in the the first international reference version ISO-646-IRV". However, the international currency symbol ¤ was proposed for inclusion in the international standard character code in place of the dollar or pound sign by the Italian delegation to the CCITT, not by the socialist countries. In a later vote, Italy, Portugal, Switzerland, and the USSR favored the use of the ¤ character; Canada, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden, and the United Kingdom preferred to standardize the and £ signs.
Sources: CCITT Working Group on Alphabets, October 6-9, 1964, CBI 67, box 3, folder 3; ISO TC 97/SC 2 and CCITT/GM ALP joint meeting, April 26-28, 1966, NMAH 310, box 5.

and now some other resources I’ve found… and some symbols that stand out. There are lots of options and I am 100% of the belief that the perfect one can jump out at us like a mystical epiphany, and that bikeshedding isn’t as arduous and arbitrary as it always seems to be.

From this document: http://bora.uib.no/bitstream/handle/1956/10699/MUFI-Alphabetic-4-0.pdf?sequence=9&isAllowed=y

 &grlig; EAD0 PUA-1 LATIN SMALL LIGATURE GR
doesnt show

ᵹ &gins; 1D79 PhonExt LATIN SMALL LETTER INSULAR G
Ᵹ &Gins; A77D LatExtD LATIN CAPITAL LETTER INSULAR G
ꝿ &ginsturn; A77F LatExtD LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED INSULAR G
Ꝿ &Ginsturn; A77E LatExtD LATIN CAPITAL LETTER TURNED INSULAR G

ꟿ &M5leg; A7FF LatExtD LATIN EPIGRAPHIC LETTER ARCHAIC M
199ꟿ aka ꟿ aka mimblewimble. that one is confusing and cool

ø ø 00F8 Lat1Suppl LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH STROKE
Ø Ø 00D8 Lat1Suppl LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O WITH STROKE
243Ø for a piece of bread
a symbolic cut-through… the $ sign is pretty abstract, ours needn’t be a G at all.
looks like a zero though, not great.

ʉ &ubar; 0289 IPAExt LATIN SMALL LETTER U BAR
777ʉ its like the S with a line through it $, but its a u, kind of like a little smile with a cuthru

ỽ &vwelsh; 1EFD LatExtAdd LATIN SMALL LETTER MIDDLE-WELSH V
looks kind of like a G when rendered differently

ˣ &xmod; 02E3 SpModLet MODIFIER LETTER SMALL X
420ˣ to pay the bills

◌͜◌ &combdblbrevebl; 035C CombDiaMk COMBINING DOUBLE BREVE BELOW
this one not sure if it shows but its like a fallen over right parenthesis… looks like a grin… pretty awesome!
literally you write the number of grin syou have and underline it with a little grin, ha!

∞ ∞ 221E MathOp INFINITY
42∞ worth of wine please!

⏑ &metrshort; 23D1 MiscTech METRICAL BREVE
its the cutest little grin
55⏑

 &metrbrevedblac; F717 PUA-10 METRICAL SYMBOL BREVE WITH DOUBLE
doesnt show but its a smiley

The spesmilo character, called spesmilsigno in Esperanto (like monero’s use of esperanto)


looks like an S with a little m in it.

The mill or ( ) an m with a cuthru


of course unicode alchemical symbols would be appropriate too



500🝐 looks like a magic wand

:slight_smile:
its just a little unicode smiley face, this would be perfect

:infinity:
its like an infinity symbol in a circle… looks kind of like a smiley… and is the symbol for acid free p aper
I need 699♾! Grin, that acid free paper currency!!! also means PERMANENT PAPER… which is a good symbol for a cashlike currency probably.

:frowning:
this one is hilarious, its like a big sad face

:comet:
looks like a harry potter golden snitch
900☄ please!

now from

:zap:like harry potters lightning bolt
⛀ i think thats supposed to be a coin
:aquarius: mw looking
⚇ a partial smiley
:frowning::slight_smile:… first is a sad face second is a smiley… for some reason the sad one is bigger
:slightly_smiling_face:… slightly smiling face… that one renders really well
:slightly_frowning_face: slightly frowning
:slight_smile: ooh this one is good… its the dark version of the smiley
:yin_yang: yin yang… mimble wimble

:watch: a little watch… time is money
1⌚ /second
:hourglass: hourglas… time is still money… 9,000​:hourglass: please!
:sun_with_face: **wow! sun with face… that one is pretty good.**

feeling more and more like picking something simple like the letter G is the wrong choice. what fun to have so much creative freedom…and people may be writing it on checks and the tip line of checks!!

:skull_and_crossbones: skull and cross bones… theres a grin in there somewhere
🕱 another render, supposed to be b lack
࿊ a tibetan symbol

:no_mouth: *WOW symbol for face without a mouth!!!

⚝ a little bit wizardly… the pentagram… ⛥

just a white rectangle ▭
900▭
⧞ infinity negated with a vertical bar
⚲ neuter symbol
⚿ squared key

:rescue_worker_helmet: helmet

:chains:
those are supposed to be chains… that’s kind of cool you know, blockchain.


looks like a magic wand

some more here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Alchemical_symbols
though they are not easily accessible unicode

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Mercury_symbols
mercury is a communication symbol… money is a very pure form of communication

some good ones in there.
almost entirely sure that using something as ancient as a latin letter would be a missed opportunity. why wouldnt the currency of the future have an emoji as a symbol??? I mean of course it would. We are desinging the ultimate cash for the digital age, it should look like a product of the internet in every way right?

someone on reddit said the MW-Eyed smiley logo looks too much like a meme… but that is what we are making right, an infectious meme. currency itself is a meme!

will never forgive myself now if we don’t pick something great.

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#14

I would suggest against using Emojis and weird graphical unicode chars.

IMHO a lowercase one strikes much better besides the numbers than an uppercase.

Hence, my personal preference is this:

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#15

Or how about a capital gamma, Γ

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#16

Here’s another take on it:

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#17

it’s a cut through symbol… and the magazine came out on bitcoins genesis day exactly 20 years previous

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#18

Great ideas bouncing around. I would say I’m most in favor of this one.

ǥ

#19

I really like the idea! However I think that having a currency symbol and a logo that looks different might create a lot of confusion for the people that aren’t acquainted with the project.

#20

Here’s what the logo could look like with 0-X’s suggestion.

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#21

issue is it looks like a zero, could be confusing.

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#22

What about combining a G with a diagonal strikethrough? The lowercase g diagonal strikethrough (g-barre) is also very cool.

image

#23

Not sure if I’ve written it here already, but my vote for sure goes on this Japanese character: ツ

45.642 ツ

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#24

wouldn’t that be potentially mocking japan and china; you know heavy investors in coins?

#25

@monkyyy

  1. This is the same character used in the ascii emoji shrug: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    Could you point to any previous cases where the use of this emoji has caused outrage?

  2. it might cause confusion amongst Japanese users. It’s a very real possibility. I struggle to see how it would mock them or be offensive in any way. It’s a hiragana character. Can you explain what you mean?

  3. Because it’s hiragana, this has nothing to do with the Chinese hanzi characters. How would the use of a Japanese character as a currency symbol mock the Chinese people?

#26

I don’t know that part of asain cultures; but given that they skip floor numbers for sounding like death who knows what sort of thing it could be stepping on. People can be superstitious and weird about insane things.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

thats a japanese thing to start with and it has context of coming from imagebroads, not really the same thing as “the western criminal currency that mocks ____ with its currency symbol”

Because it’s hiragana, this has nothing to do with the Chinese hanzi characters.

They are still sibling langues when written; this is not a thing you feel in English often but there is an example when spoken:


I’m ever so slightly worried about political aesthetics; liberty dollar was accused and convicted of counterfeiting likely because it was called liberty dollar or walter blocks “voluntary slavery” and the last time I was accused of supporting slavery was less then a week ago, believe me when your connected to something that fails at aesthetics its rather bad. And no one is really all that likely to pay attention until it does.

I know I havn’t finished that letter but digging up obscure primary source of my extremely niche political outlook will take some time; can you please just take my conclusion that its was 165 years at least of what your doing was functionally illegal, and the door bitcoin opened could a fluke

Someone should ask people who first lang was chinese or japanese, before it wins because its fun; because it being outlawed in china is a very real possibility and I would suggest minimizing it

#27

For me it would be a bit difficult identifying it as a currency symbol.

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#28

I strongly suggest we take the same approach as Bitcoin (see reference below).

Let it be picked by itself. Some places will use the smiley symbol, some variations of ‘g’ with a stripe and some, if not most, will simply write “x grins”, which certainly rolls nicely on both the tongue and keyboard.
Scroll through the thread below to see what I mean.

Bitcointalk thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=41.20
Bitcoin Wiki: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin_symbol

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